I was during some research and noticed that in orthopedics there has been some deaths associated with bmp2 and spine surgery. Does this translate to dental? Is there a risk here?
BMP has some definite benefits. It does grow bone well in some very difficult spots, but some people act like it is the Holy Grail. It does produce alot of swelling...ALOT of swelling. Also, the bone that does grow is usually type 3. Right now, it is probably the best thing that we have for difficult spots. But I am sure that something better will come along in the future.
I dont see the value in spending 900 dollars to place this in the socket when a 30 dollar bottle of bone works fine. Otherwise the other comments on this thread are spot on for infuses use.
In general I would not use this in a routine socket. Not worth the price. But I would use it in a socket where I knew that because of teh amount of infection and bone loss I would probably need to do additional surgical procedures to get an implant in there.
I am a restorative dentist and my surgeon uses infuse. The patients come in with alot of swelling and I am frequently tap dancing to give them answers. How do I reduce the patients fear after they have this product used on them?
I have to agree with most of the comment thus far.
"Infuse is either a home run or a strike out for sure." Well said statment.
I have done 50 infuse cases to date all complicated and all previously failed sites. I have had success in placing the implant in over 40 of the cases so to me its worth the price
To answer Dr. Salama's questions
Has the failure rate with Ti-mesh been less?
Failure rate is low. Thick tissue is critical if you have a thin biotype it will fail
Has the bone quality been better, the same or worse?
Bone quality is type 3 predominantly.
How about post loading of this bone with implants and then prosthetics, how does it respond at 6-12 months clinically and radiographically??
Success rate thus far in 41 implants placed is 40/41 successes 6-21 months out. The one failure I had was occlusal overload and the implant fractured not a failure of the graft.
I think we are in a golden age of grafting. There are great advances in growth factors that enhance our healing and help grow bone. This product is one of them.
I use it strictly on label in the sinus and I have yet to have a problem. I will add bio-oss to my graft to avoid shrinkage and collapse of the membrane.
I saw a lecture by Craig Misch at the IJPRD using infuse in a socket that has tremendous loss of bone due to infection. He placed the infuse in the socket with some allograft and 5 months later he had great bone.
I think infuse in sockets like this may enhance healing and avoid doing major grafting after the extraction.
This to me is a promising material. While expensive it give us the opportunity to provide patients and option when no other option is out there.
I have use BMP-2 on 20 cases. I have two failures. The bone has been type 4 in most cases with some type 3. My type 3 cases I have mixed the infuse with particulate and I think that makes the difference.
I have several success cases utilizing ti-mesh and an inion membrane.
I have used it in sockets that have been extremely destroyed by infection and doing nothing would have resulted in a defect that would have required multiple surgeries to correct.
I agree the price is high but I agree with most of the below. I use this material in cases that are extremely difficult or past failures. I usually can charge more so it is not an issue.
Its worth the price in those cases, especially when you are trying to make something out of nothing.
I usually get Type 4 bone and it does hold up over time. I have used this material with Mesh as well as mixed it with particulate and used tenting screws.
Just met with my local Medtronic rep about Infuse BMP-2. The cost for the Infuse XX small is $876.00. The is the smallest amount of BMP they sell and is enough for a single area/one socket site for grafting.
How much do you charge to take out a tooth and socket graft with this?
Does this become cost prohibitive?
While it may be a good product, it is hard from a private practice prospective to charge for this especially in this economy.
BMP-2 has shown alot of promise but I dont think its there yet.
While I have not used the product I think there are better forms of growth factors (Like PRGF and PRF) which has less complications and less expense.
I also am concerned about how complicated your surgery has to be to build the ridge. I am concerned with a product that needs ti-mesh, membranes, thick soft tissue in order to have any hope of working.
There is a big quest for the ideal grafting material.Unfortunately some of the studies and advertisements are industry driven.
In bone regeneration biology dictates the healing potential.As we all know two major components are needed for regeneration:cells and blood vessels.This is why growth factors utilization becomes so popular.
Growth factors which will attract cells and blood vessels would be ideal- this is why PRF which contains VEGF became so popular.
I really don't see the point in investing so much $$$ in BMP and getting similar results to allograft mixed with PRF.( my preference is Regenaform).
The sinus results i've seen with the infuse were not impressive not to mention the huge edema.
Again more important than the material is the surgical technique...
I think case selection is key. I have only done two cases in the sinus and the results were great. Type 3 bone.
To avoid the slumping issue I add bone as decribed in this Tarnow article.
Int J Periodontics Restorative Dent. 2010 Apr;30(2):139-49.
Maxillary sinus augmentation using recombinant bone morphogenetic protein-2/acellular collagen sponge in combination with a mineralized bone replacement graft: a report of three cases.
Tarnow DP, Wallace SS, Testori T, Froum SJ, Motroni A, Prasad HS.
Abstract
The objective of the following case reports was to assess whether mineralized bone replacement grafts (eg, xenografts and allografts) could be added to recombinant human bone morphogenetic protein-2/acellular collagen sponge (rhBMP-2/ACS) in an effective manner that would: (1) reduce the graft shrinkage observed when using rhBMP-2/ACS alone, (2) reduce the volume and dose of rhBMP-2 required, and (3) preserve the osteoinductivity that rhBMP-2/ACS has shown when used alone. The primary outcome measures were histomorphometric analysis of vital bone production and analysis of serial computed tomographic scans to determine changes in bone graft density and stability. Over the 6-month course of this investigation, bone graft densities tended to increase (moreso with the xenograft than the allograft). The increased density in allograft cases was likely the result of both compression of the mineralized bone replacement graft and vital bone formation, seen histologically. Loss of volume was greater with the four-sponge dose than the two-sponge dose because of compression and resorption of the sponges. Vital bone formation in the allograft cases ranged from 36% to 53% but, because of the small sample size, it was not possible to determine any significant difference between the 5.6 mL (four-sponge) dose and the 2.8 mL (two-sponge) dose. Histology revealed robust new woven bone formation with only minimal traces of residual allograft, which appeared to have undergone accelerated remodeling or rhBMP-2-mediated resorption.
I get consistent results using either intraorally harvested autogenous blocks or (more often these days) particulate putty materials, barrier membranes,and following the principles of GBR (space maintenance, epith exclusion, graft containment, passive wound stability). I became reluctant to get on the BMP-2 bandwagon after I saw the presentation on sinus grafts using BMP-2 at the AO and AAP meetings which showed lots of slumping and unimpressive results combined with lots of swelling. I agree with the posts below that the bone quality I have seen shown resulting from these grafts is poor (trephine cores) and questionable long term. For me at this point I think the better option for growth factors are those which promote early and robust soft tissue closure such as rh-PDGF, Emdogain, or PRGF. For those of you using Ti Mesh, are you doing so only in non-esthetic areas?? This technique seems like it has a high likelihood of esthetic failure of the case compared to other tried and true techniques.
I would concur with all that has been said but I would add the following:
1) For GBR you have to use ti-mesh. I tried several cases without the mesh using bio-oss and the infuse and it was a disaster.
2) For sockets it is very nice, I add a small amount of FDBA or Puros to the matrix and I can go back into a socket 8 weeks later and place the implant in solid bone.
3) you need to inform the patients about the swelling. Patient management can be an issue when you have to explain a month after the surgery why they are swollen.
I have to agree with Deans comments. Infuse is either a home run or a strike out for sure.
I too am doing infuse in very compromised sites, which makes the evaluation of the material hard. If I were using this in easy sites it would be a home run every time.
I would answer your questions this way
Has the failure rate with Ti-mesh been less?
I would say my failure rate is less using ti-mesh with infuse. Thick tissue is a must and I will always augment the soft tissue prior.
Has the bone quality been better, the same or worse?
Bone quality is usually Type 4 with some cases I had type 3 but that is rare.
How about post loading of this bone with implants and then prosthetics, how does it respond at 6-12 months clinically and radiographically??
I have several caes that are out 12 months or greater and the bone looks great and implants are successful under load with minimal bone loss.
Does it remain or does it resorb??
It does not resorb based on the cases I have seen and have done. The material does hold up.
Doctors;
I like the open discussions on this topic. BTW, I would say thick tissue, passive closure and graft stability are a must for most any regenerative protocol regardless of BMP-2 use or not.
There is success and failure on all techniques but some more than others.
I am not anti-BMP-2, I do use and perform procedures using it. I simply choose to ask more questions and want more science on the "dental" side.
Those who have used it on this forum, have the results been "much better", has the failure rate with Ti-mesh been less, has the bone quality been better, the same or worse. How about post loading of this bone with implants and then prosthetics, how does it respond at 6-12 months clinically and radiographically?? Does it remain or does it resorb??
These are ALL very important questions we as a profession need answers to.
I choose to be more critical right now especially considering the cost of this product. I have spoken to many who use and lecture on this topic and I have heard mixed statements.
Dr. S
I couldnt agree more with this statement "BTW, I would say thick tissue, passive closure and graft stability are a must for most any regenerative protocol regardless of BMP-2 use or not."
But it is absolutely critically for BMP2 cases.
In terms of my cases:
Before I can say if the cases are much better, I think you have to look at the types of cases I am doing with infuse. In general these are super difficult cases; failed sites, sites needing vertical augmentation, poor healing patients.
So in general I am happy that I have a material that will work in these cases that I can get an implant in.
In terms success of cases. BMP-2 is either a home run or a strikeout, but that isnt an indictment of the material but rather the difficulty of the cases I am doing.
You are indeed correct the only on label use is for Sinus grafting. I am not sure if sockets are on or off label.
I saw Craig Misch present a year ago using infuse in blown out sockets and he had some impressive results. So the application is there
I have had some success using Mesh and infuse for ridge defects. There is alot of swelling that why passive flaps are a must.
The problem with getting this to work isnt with infuse, the problem is with the Mesh as it easily gets exposed and if the flap exposes your case is done.
Thick tissue is a must, if I dont have thick tissue I will augment the tissue first with CTG or Alloderm to thicken it and do the infuse graft at a later date.
Dr. Salama you are indeed correct this is off label. As a OMFS I started doing this about a year ago with my residents. You need wide flaps and very passive flaps.
Beware you get a heck of alot of swelling with this material which makes it scary.
We tend to use this in very specific cases where traditional technique are not as predictable such as:
Vertical augmentations
Failed GBR or Block graft sites
Poor healing patients or patients with systemic disease.
I think the material give you and edge but it is not a cure all. We have failures with it and will not replace traditional less complicated techniques.
I do far less blocks now then when I first started doing implants. Today I am able to rebuild a ridge defect with putty's or particulate.
That being said I still do block grafts and they have their place. In general if the ridge defect is 5 mm or more I am using a block or infuse with ti-mesh.
I have performed them all and even provided 2 surgical videos on BMP and titanium mesh for alveolar reconstruction on www.dentalxp.com
I remain curious about BMP-2 and titanium mesh?? It is still off label to use in alveolar ridge defects....even though everyone is excited about that application and has been using it there although it is ONLY FDA approved for Sockets and Sinus Grafts.
Very little research for this application in dentistry.
I remain apprehensive about jumping on the band wagon yet as some of my cases have revealed poor quality bone and have taken much longer to heal when "successful".
Once you have done enough cases and spoken to many high caliber clinicians you may find yourself going back to GBR, Block Grafts and PRGF/PRF and allow the company to do the work of clinical dental research !!!
Dr. S
BMP2 is there a risk of a severe complication via use? Death
I was during some research and noticed that in orthopedics there has been some deaths associated with bmp2 and spine surgery. Does this translate to dental? Is there a risk here?
http://journals.lww.com/spinejournal/Abstract/2010/04201/Complications_R...
Oral Surgery use of BMP2 infuse: Limits of this Growth factor
My oral surgeon uses this all the time for ridge augmentation. He achieves excellent vertical augmentation as well as great bone.
What are the limits of the material?
Great bone?? Always seems to be type 3 bone
BMP has some definite benefits. It does grow bone well in some very difficult spots, but some people act like it is the Holy Grail. It does produce alot of swelling...ALOT of swelling. Also, the bone that does grow is usually type 3. Right now, it is probably the best thing that we have for difficult spots. But I am sure that something better will come along in the future.
Infuse BMP 2 in the Socket...Dont see the value
I dont see the value in spending 900 dollars to place this in the socket when a 30 dollar bottle of bone works fine. Otherwise the other comments on this thread are spot on for infuses use.
BMP 2 and Ti Mesh
You need thick tissue to make this work other wise it will expose and the infuse will go to POT.
Augment the tissue prior with CTG or allograft, if there is any doubt augment otherwise you will pay the piper.
Infuse BMP2 for Sockets: My Opinion
In general I would not use this in a routine socket. Not worth the price. But I would use it in a socket where I knew that because of teh amount of infection and bone loss I would probably need to do additional surgical procedures to get an implant in there.
Infuse my save you a surgery or 2.
Infuse BMP 2 great thread and discussion
Lots of great discussion and eye opening to me. Thought I post these links.
Lots of good info here:
https://www.infusebonegraft.com/omf_bmp.html
https://www.infusebonegraft.com/omf_about.html
https://www.infusebonegraft.com/omf_patient_vivian.html
Mouse
BMP2 is this worth the price placing in the socket?
This seems pricey to me placing this in a socket. Is it worth it?
Infuse BMP 2 question
How long are you waiting from soft tissue grafting to thicken the biotype to grafting with infuse?
Infuse/BMP: Patient issues and why do you get alot of swelling?
I am a restorative dentist and my surgeon uses infuse. The patients come in with alot of swelling and I am frequently tap dancing to give them answers. How do I reduce the patients fear after they have this product used on them?
Infuse BMP2 Comments: My opinion on 50 cases
I have to agree with most of the comment thus far.
"Infuse is either a home run or a strike out for sure." Well said statment.
I have done 50 infuse cases to date all complicated and all previously failed sites. I have had success in placing the implant in over 40 of the cases so to me its worth the price
To answer Dr. Salama's questions
Has the failure rate with Ti-mesh been less?
Failure rate is low. Thick tissue is critical if you have a thin biotype it will fail
Has the bone quality been better, the same or worse?
Bone quality is type 3 predominantly.
How about post loading of this bone with implants and then prosthetics, how does it respond at 6-12 months clinically and radiographically??
Success rate thus far in 41 implants placed is 40/41 successes 6-21 months out. The one failure I had was occlusal overload and the implant fractured not a failure of the graft.
Does it remain or does it resorb??
It definitely remains.....
Great Discussion, I am eager to hear more.
Infuse BMP2 Discussion: Socket grafts
Those of you that have used it in the socket what is your justification? What was your results? Was it better then just sticking graft in the socket?
RHBMP-2 Infuse: The future of grafting
I think we are in a golden age of grafting. There are great advances in growth factors that enhance our healing and help grow bone. This product is one of them.
I use it strictly on label in the sinus and I have yet to have a problem. I will add bio-oss to my graft to avoid shrinkage and collapse of the membrane.
Angeline.
BMP 2: Here is my opinion
I would agree with what with has been said.
I use it for GBR and sinus grafts. GBR, Ti-mesh is a must. I mix the infuse collagen with FDBA.
For sockets I dont see the value as I can get great results with Nu-oss, Bio-oss or FDBA in a socket without BMP. Infuse adds to much expense.
Swelling can be a killer in this case. The flaps must be released or the flap will open from the swelling.
Infuse BMP in the Socket: Case of 3
I have doen this in 3 sockets that had massive infections and it resulted in great bone.
If I didnt do this I would have had to do a ridge augmentation post extraction.
I mix the BMP with a small amount of Bio-oss
Infuse BMP-2 discussion: Sockets is there a benefit
I saw a lecture by Craig Misch at the IJPRD using infuse in a socket that has tremendous loss of bone due to infection. He placed the infuse in the socket with some allograft and 5 months later he had great bone.
I think infuse in sockets like this may enhance healing and avoid doing major grafting after the extraction.
Opinions?
Infuse BMP-2 discussion: Sockets is there a benefit
I dont see the benefit to this. I too would like opinions on using infuse in a socket?
rhBMP-2: My comments and thoughts
This to me is a promising material. While expensive it give us the opportunity to provide patients and option when no other option is out there.
I have use BMP-2 on 20 cases. I have two failures. The bone has been type 4 in most cases with some type 3. My type 3 cases I have mixed the infuse with particulate and I think that makes the difference.
I have several success cases utilizing ti-mesh and an inion membrane.
I have used it in sockets that have been extremely destroyed by infection and doing nothing would have resulted in a defect that would have required multiple surgeries to correct.
I would love to hear of other experience
Sergio
Infuse BMP-2: Price is high but worth it in the right case
I agree the price is high but I agree with most of the below. I use this material in cases that are extremely difficult or past failures. I usually can charge more so it is not an issue.
Its worth the price in those cases, especially when you are trying to make something out of nothing.
I usually get Type 4 bone and it does hold up over time. I have used this material with Mesh as well as mixed it with particulate and used tenting screws.
Tom
Infuse BMP 2 Discussion: Need some opinions
First off great discussion.
Just met with my local Medtronic rep about Infuse BMP-2. The cost for the Infuse XX small is $876.00. The is the smallest amount of BMP they sell and is enough for a single area/one socket site for grafting.
How much do you charge to take out a tooth and socket graft with this?
Does this become cost prohibitive?
While it may be a good product, it is hard from a private practice prospective to charge for this especially in this economy.
Opinions on how your handle this in your practice
BMP 2(Infuse): A question for all on BMP2 and socket grafts
I tend to agree with Hawkeye. This material seems kind of pricey to stick in a socket.
What is your indications to use in the socket?
How much can you really charge for a socket graft?
BMP-2 I have to agree with Ziv on this one
BMP-2 has shown alot of promise but I dont think its there yet.
While I have not used the product I think there are better forms of growth factors (Like PRGF and PRF) which has less complications and less expense.
I also am concerned about how complicated your surgery has to be to build the ridge. I am concerned with a product that needs ti-mesh, membranes, thick soft tissue in order to have any hope of working.
Opinions?
Brooke
BMP 2 cases: 5 for 7
I have done 7 cases to date and have 2 failures. In the 5 cases that worked it is type 3/4 bone.
I avoid the potential of the bone resorbing by augementing with bio-oss at stage 1.
The cases I have done with this have been very difficult sites that would not of worked with other materials.
I use ti-mesh, I cover the ti-mesh with a collagen membrane which helps prevent the ti-mesh from auto exposing.
Oliver
BMP-2 in sockets: What kind of results are you getting.
I am not an experienced surgeon but I do take out teeth and graft with NuOss cow bone.
Is BMP-2 a better way to graft the socket? Is the bone better?
BMP-2 in Sockets Infuse for ridges and sinuses?
There is a big quest for the ideal grafting material.Unfortunately some of the studies and advertisements are industry driven.
In bone regeneration biology dictates the healing potential.As we all know two major components are needed for regeneration:cells and blood vessels.This is why growth factors utilization becomes so popular.
Growth factors which will attract cells and blood vessels would be ideal- this is why PRF which contains VEGF became so popular.
I really don't see the point in investing so much $$$ in BMP and getting similar results to allograft mixed with PRF.( my preference is Regenaform).
The sinus results i've seen with the infuse were not impressive not to mention the huge edema.
Again more important than the material is the surgical technique...
BMP-2 results can be impressive with the right case
I think case selection is key. I have only done two cases in the sinus and the results were great. Type 3 bone.
To avoid the slumping issue I add bone as decribed in this Tarnow article.
Int J Periodontics Restorative Dent. 2010 Apr;30(2):139-49.
Maxillary sinus augmentation using recombinant bone morphogenetic protein-2/acellular collagen sponge in combination with a mineralized bone replacement graft: a report of three cases.
Tarnow DP, Wallace SS, Testori T, Froum SJ, Motroni A, Prasad HS.
sswdds.sinus@sbcglobal.net
Abstract
The objective of the following case reports was to assess whether mineralized bone replacement grafts (eg, xenografts and allografts) could be added to recombinant human bone morphogenetic protein-2/acellular collagen sponge (rhBMP-2/ACS) in an effective manner that would: (1) reduce the graft shrinkage observed when using rhBMP-2/ACS alone, (2) reduce the volume and dose of rhBMP-2 required, and (3) preserve the osteoinductivity that rhBMP-2/ACS has shown when used alone. The primary outcome measures were histomorphometric analysis of vital bone production and analysis of serial computed tomographic scans to determine changes in bone graft density and stability. Over the 6-month course of this investigation, bone graft densities tended to increase (moreso with the xenograft than the allograft). The increased density in allograft cases was likely the result of both compression of the mineralized bone replacement graft and vital bone formation, seen histologically. Loss of volume was greater with the four-sponge dose than the two-sponge dose because of compression and resorption of the sponges. Vital bone formation in the allograft cases ranged from 36% to 53% but, because of the small sample size, it was not possible to determine any significant difference between the 5.6 mL (four-sponge) dose and the 2.8 mL (two-sponge) dose. Histology revealed robust new woven bone formation with only minimal traces of residual allograft, which appeared to have undergone accelerated remodeling or rhBMP-2-mediated resorption.
BMP-2 Not Too Impressive To Me
I get consistent results using either intraorally harvested autogenous blocks or (more often these days) particulate putty materials, barrier membranes,and following the principles of GBR (space maintenance, epith exclusion, graft containment, passive wound stability). I became reluctant to get on the BMP-2 bandwagon after I saw the presentation on sinus grafts using BMP-2 at the AO and AAP meetings which showed lots of slumping and unimpressive results combined with lots of swelling. I agree with the posts below that the bone quality I have seen shown resulting from these grafts is poor (trephine cores) and questionable long term. For me at this point I think the better option for growth factors are those which promote early and robust soft tissue closure such as rh-PDGF, Emdogain, or PRGF. For those of you using Ti Mesh, are you doing so only in non-esthetic areas?? This technique seems like it has a high likelihood of esthetic failure of the case compared to other tried and true techniques.
Nick.
Infuse BMP 2 is it worth the price tag???
I have not used this product and I like reading about others clinical experience and I am hoping to gain some more insight from others opinions here.
Infuse comes with a hefty price tag. Base on what I am reading is it worth the price?
Thank you
Musin
BMP 2 I get type IV bone and often get collapse.
In the cases I have completed with BMP2 I get type IV bone.
I have seen some bone loss over time so I dont know if it holds up.
In the sinus cases I have done I have seen alot of colapse and I frequently have to do a closed sinus lift.
I dont think I would use this routinely as I get better results with regenaform putty or a particulate graft.
Infuse BMP-2 discussion adding my experience
I would concur with all that has been said but I would add the following:
1) For GBR you have to use ti-mesh. I tried several cases without the mesh using bio-oss and the infuse and it was a disaster.
2) For sockets it is very nice, I add a small amount of FDBA or Puros to the matrix and I can go back into a socket 8 weeks later and place the implant in solid bone.
3) you need to inform the patients about the swelling. Patient management can be an issue when you have to explain a month after the surgery why they are swollen.
Tim
BMP-2 Discussion: My results
I have to agree with Deans comments. Infuse is either a home run or a strike out for sure.
I too am doing infuse in very compromised sites, which makes the evaluation of the material hard. If I were using this in easy sites it would be a home run every time.
I would answer your questions this way
Has the failure rate with Ti-mesh been less?
I would say my failure rate is less using ti-mesh with infuse. Thick tissue is a must and I will always augment the soft tissue prior.
Has the bone quality been better, the same or worse?
Bone quality is usually Type 4 with some cases I had type 3 but that is rare.
How about post loading of this bone with implants and then prosthetics, how does it respond at 6-12 months clinically and radiographically??
I have several caes that are out 12 months or greater and the bone looks great and implants are successful under load with minimal bone loss.
Does it remain or does it resorb??
It does not resorb based on the cases I have seen and have done. The material does hold up.
Lets keep the discussion going.
Guy
Like the discussions on BMP-2. Response Dr. S
Doctors;
I like the open discussions on this topic. BTW, I would say thick tissue, passive closure and graft stability are a must for most any regenerative protocol regardless of BMP-2 use or not.
There is success and failure on all techniques but some more than others.
I am not anti-BMP-2, I do use and perform procedures using it. I simply choose to ask more questions and want more science on the "dental" side.
Those who have used it on this forum, have the results been "much better", has the failure rate with Ti-mesh been less, has the bone quality been better, the same or worse. How about post loading of this bone with implants and then prosthetics, how does it respond at 6-12 months clinically and radiographically?? Does it remain or does it resorb??
These are ALL very important questions we as a profession need answers to.
I choose to be more critical right now especially considering the cost of this product. I have spoken to many who use and lecture on this topic and I have heard mixed statements.
Dr. S
BMP 2 (infuse) Discussion: To Dr S and All--- Great discussion
I couldnt agree more with this statement "BTW, I would say thick tissue, passive closure and graft stability are a must for most any regenerative protocol regardless of BMP-2 use or not."
But it is absolutely critically for BMP2 cases.
In terms of my cases:
Before I can say if the cases are much better, I think you have to look at the types of cases I am doing with infuse. In general these are super difficult cases; failed sites, sites needing vertical augmentation, poor healing patients.
So in general I am happy that I have a material that will work in these cases that I can get an implant in.
In terms success of cases. BMP-2 is either a home run or a strikeout, but that isnt an indictment of the material but rather the difficulty of the cases I am doing.
I will write more later. Great discussion.
Guy
Infuse for GBR and sockets answer to MSalama.
You are indeed correct the only on label use is for Sinus grafting. I am not sure if sockets are on or off label.
I saw Craig Misch present a year ago using infuse in blown out sockets and he had some impressive results. So the application is there
I have had some success using Mesh and infuse for ridge defects. There is alot of swelling that why passive flaps are a must.
The problem with getting this to work isnt with infuse, the problem is with the Mesh as it easily gets exposed and if the flap exposes your case is done.
Thick tissue is a must, if I dont have thick tissue I will augment the tissue first with CTG or Alloderm to thicken it and do the infuse graft at a later date.
Guy
Ti-Mesh and infuse (BMP2): My experience
Dr. Salama you are indeed correct this is off label. As a OMFS I started doing this about a year ago with my residents. You need wide flaps and very passive flaps.
Beware you get a heck of alot of swelling with this material which makes it scary.
We tend to use this in very specific cases where traditional technique are not as predictable such as:
Vertical augmentations
Failed GBR or Block graft sites
Poor healing patients or patients with systemic disease.
I think the material give you and edge but it is not a cure all. We have failures with it and will not replace traditional less complicated techniques.
Hope that is helpful.
Dean
I think you need to have block grafting in your procedure bag.
I do far less blocks now then when I first started doing implants. Today I am able to rebuild a ridge defect with putty's or particulate.
That being said I still do block grafts and they have their place. In general if the ridge defect is 5 mm or more I am using a block or infuse with ti-mesh.
Tim
Block grafts, GBR or BMP-2 and titanium mesh??? Comments please?
I have performed them all and even provided 2 surgical videos on BMP and titanium mesh for alveolar reconstruction on www.dentalxp.com
I remain curious about BMP-2 and titanium mesh?? It is still off label to use in alveolar ridge defects....even though everyone is excited about that application and has been using it there although it is ONLY FDA approved for Sockets and Sinus Grafts.
Very little research for this application in dentistry.
I remain apprehensive about jumping on the band wagon yet as some of my cases have revealed poor quality bone and have taken much longer to heal when "successful".
Once you have done enough cases and spoken to many high caliber clinicians you may find yourself going back to GBR, Block Grafts and PRGF/PRF and allow the company to do the work of clinical dental research !!!
Dr. S
Block Grafting VS Ti Mesh: Everything has its place
This is a tough question. To me everything has its place, you need to have many tools in your bag of tricks in the day of implant dentistry.
I think you need to be able to do blocks and ti mesh. One will not replace the other.